Vetting Obama – Vetting Islam

On June 6, 2012 by Admin

Headlines 6/05/2012

This is the 1,232nd & 1,308th day since Barack Obama was given authority to rule by inauguration & election – Daniel 12:11-12

At three and a half years (the middle of ‘seven’) into Obama’s reign, he has broken the long-standing alliance between Israel and the U.S. by betraying Israel and the American people with; side-dealing, delaying, leaking confidential information and being a liberation theologist (at best) – Daniel 9:27

So, what happens in 28 days?

It would seem that the weekend of July 1st may be a big moment in the future of (the New) Jerusalem

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Within the last few months, Four Fathers Revealed has taken a dramatic turn towards the “Revealed” part of its young existence. The conversations about current headlines are becoming more and more common as are the debates that this site generates. In the coming days, it is more likely than not that we will be posting our position by these brief debates. Unlike Barack Obama, we are evolving in the direction of truth. If, within these comments, you read something you believe to be Biblically inaccurate, PLEASE, send us a comment.

The reader will encounter multiple entries that are deemed to be politically incorrect, seemingly intolerant, progressively insensitive and racially biased.  These labels are a result of men trading the truth – see below – for political correctness; trusting the judgment of men over that of God.

” ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing but never perceiving.’ Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turned and be healed.” – Isaiah 6:9-10

Recognizing that God is God, we understand and perceive today’s events as prophetic. Our hearts are not calloused and we love our readers enough to tell them the truth – the real meaning of “No Fear” is to tell it as the Bible tells it. We hope that this site helps its readers to “…see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn (To the Lord Jesus) and be healed.”

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Biblical warning: (Of the devil and his army) He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians (Sudanese) in  submission. But reports from the east (Iran) and north (Syria) will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many” – Daniel Daniel 11:43-44

Obama’s air-sea blockade for Iran delays Israeli strike. Hormuz at stake?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: “Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation’s fury

Iran secretly building a third enrichment plant

Barack Hussein Obama: A branch of the vine of the Islamic nation…

Rumsfeld: Israel Can’t Trust Obama

“Raptors perform “exotic jobs” such as tracking Iranian submarine-launched cruise missiles and turning the missiles around to hit targets inside Iran”

Sources: Raptors sent to help Israel

“Turkey has just turned away from its 14-month support for the anti-Assad revolt alongside the West and made common cause with Russia, i.e. Bashar Assad”

“The Lebanese Hizballah is getting ready to bring its Scud D missiles, which can reach any point in Israel, and other advanced weapons, including anti-air missiles, out of secret storage in Syria and transfer them across the border to Lebanon”

“The Obama administration again holds Israel back from military action, this time to destroy the long-range Scuds, Bashar Assad, Hizballah and Tehran will be awarded a winning hand – and not only in Syria”

Turkey ditches Syrian rebels. Will Israel attack Hizballah’s Scuds?

Biblical warning: “…the one who now holds it back will continue to do so until he is taken out of the way”

Barack Hussein Obama is working as hard as he can to pull us out of the way of the Islamic Revolution and its rebellion against God and his people

Pakistan summons US envoy over drone strikes

Dr. Tom Perrin wrote at 8:44 a.m. on July 6, 2005: “Guess what? I spent the 4th of July evening with star Democrat Barack Obama! Actually, that’s a lie. Obama was at a barbecue at the house next door (given by a law professor who is a former member of the Weather Underground) and we saw him over the fence at our barbecue”

Barack Hussein Obama, son of sons of Islam, and liar of liars

Barack Obama Attended Bill Ayers Barbecue, July 4, 2005

“A particularly horrific honor murder in Germany. The detail about his shouting ‘Allahu akbar’

Muslim shouting “Allahu akbar” beheads wife in front of their six children, throws her head off apartment roof

“A convert to Christianity in Tunisia, where the so-called “Arab spring” began, had his head hacked off for refusing to return to Islam, to the usual cries of ‘Allahu Akbar!’

Graphic Video: Muslims Slaughter Convert to Christianity in Tunisia

“This is the group that the mainstream media persistently portrays as a neutral civil rights organization”

Hamas-linked CAIR’s Dawud Walid: Jews have incurred Allah’s wrath, Muhammad was “correct” to massacre Jews

“For Iowa Democrats, the full-on embrace of same-sex marriage is a notable progression from 2010″

Iowa Democrats’ Platform Calls Gay Marriage A ‘Civil Right’

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Following are just two of the discussions had today…

Question and comment:

How does “deeds and beliefs” translate to the mark of the beast when it pertains to buying and selling?

7000 living in a 1500 x 1500 x 1500 miles New Jerulasem? That’s a lot of room for 7000 to live.

the Quran is “his image” meaning Islam’s?? How is that a “he”?

You have some wacky theology.

Answer and response:

Thank you far asking… that is an excellent question. The answer is written: In regard to the rules of Buying and Selling in “A Manual of Hadith,” chapter 22., pg. 240, and rule #5…

“Give a full measure when you measure out AND WEIGH WITH A FAITH BALANCE.”

In other words, the monetary exchange for Muslims is based upon their faith in Muhammad, Allah and Islam (the mark). This directive is found not only in the reflection of the image of the beast but within the image of the beast itself…

“And give full measure when you measure out, and weigh with a true (Islamic) balance. This is far better in the end.” – Qur’an 17:35

The 7,000 were part of the first resurrection who were resurrected at the time of Jesus’ crucifixion. “Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.” – Rev 11:13

This goes with: “At  that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.” – Matthew 27:51-53

Like the Bible is the image of God (God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit or body of Christ), the Qur’an is the image of the devil – the beast (Allah, Muhammad and Islam).

God is “He” – and the devil is “he”

They appear to be the same but are actually in direct opposition of one another.

When history matches prophecy, when Islam fulfills man’s promised rebellion, and when current events see the two converge around Jerusalem – the “wacky theology” becomes the harsh reality that God is who he says he is and will do as he has promised to do.

And he has promised to end this generation of man.

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Comment:

RStetton Just as I said your interpretations, and you added you wrote them. What date do you put to “Barack Obama [walking] onto the world’s stage?” I understand how events, reading the Bible for the first time and the Qur’an, or re-reading the Bible or Qur’an can open eyes, hearts and minds to new “truths” and how pushing these books against historical accounts can result in the matchings you noted. That is all good things. “What God warns us of is realized within the pages of the Qur’an and the actions of it’s (sic) followers” is your interpretation. I agree with it and add we need to agree God warned us of much more and that there are other interpretations of what God warned us of in the prophecies of the Bible You have given me all the information I wanted in answer to my question who are we.

I did not want personal information, and I appreciate your perceived need to protect the identities and locations of your we. As much as I spend time with Muslims in the U.S. and in their traditional homelands, only repeating what they have taught me and living essentially without fear as long as I am acting as God’s called minister guided by His Holy Spirit, I am not interested in making it easy for Muslims to know exactly where I live, my travel plans or much else about me. I am also legally armed and prepared to fight to the death should anyone attack me or anyone for whom I really care.

You do write here with some strong language, unnecessarily so as I see it. It is sufficient to simply tell the truth about Islam, its founder, beliefs and practices without using inflammatory language. The truth, I believe, is obvious to those seriously seeking it and willing to devote some time and attention to it, even if they are Muslims. The sources are the Bible, Qur’an, history and current events readily available to all.

Moving on to another of your posts, no, I am not suggesting those who read Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic are the only ones who can get God’s message. I tried to say plainly that those who do not read those languages at least with some facility, accurately, or have tools to help them understand the original languages of the Bible are at the mercy of others – those who do understand those languages well – for translations and interpretations. BibleWorks, a CD, is a helpful tool with many Bible translations in many languages from the original ones. Muslims by the way will tell you as they have told me I/you have never read the Qur’an unless I/you have read it in Arabic. That has some implications for converts to Islam whose heart language is not Arabic that I doubt the converts or Arabic-speaking, reading and writing Muslims do not really grasp. You skated close to the implications when you said something about Mohammed’s desert religion or some such thing. Trying to be even clearer for you, I ask do native-language Arabic Muslims of desert countries consider converts full up Muslims, second-class Muslims or even less? Turkey which may be considered part desert and where Turkish language prevails even if it is regarded by some as an Arabic dialect or derivative comes to mind. So also does Persia/Iran where Farsi is the common language.

That gets more interesting when you put it side-by-side with historical and current events accounts of conflicts of these countries with Arabs and both between and among themselves. My question gets even more interesting when such places as China, Central, East, West and Southern Africa, Europe, Great Britain, Indonesia, the Americas including the U.S.A., Thailand, the many stans like Afghanistan, former parts of the USSR, etc., are considered. As an American Christian if I were thinking about converting to Islam I would have to have that question answered to my complete satisfaction.

Now to one more of your many, recent posts, no, I was not arguing semantics and I was on topic, very much so. You do not seem to understand the meaning of semantics. I was trying to say by pointing out to you as clearly as I knew how that your changes to the order of the words alters the meanings of the words as intended by the original writer of the words and makes the sentences and phrases fit into your pre-conceived notions as your interpretations, deliberate or not of the writer’s original words. I doubt it would be wise for us to work together. You seem to be doing okay with what you do. I am confident I am also. We are apt to wear ourselves out debating over non-essential, peripheral issues when we in fact have the same end goal – revealing the truths about Islam.

I believe you spend way too much time and effort grinding your personal axes about the Catholics. Consider this please: Muslims in fact worship more than one deity and deified persons while claiming and condemning for it that Christians and Catholics worship multiple deities or deified persons. Among the deities and deified persons Muslims worship are Allah, Mohammed, Fatima and others at Muslim holy sites from Mecca to Medina to Iraq and elsewhere.

I am tired now. It is early morning where I am. Good day, until later. May God bless you and yours, keep you safe and well, and the work all of you do exposing Islam.

Response:

B.O. appeared to me from out of nowhere in the spring of 2008.

Because this is an open forum, it’s imperative that when speaking of the Bible we maintain its truth while making reference to its opposition, the Qur’an; we make no room for doubt or confusion that it is the very image of the beast, the collection of lies used by the fallen angel to delude its followers.

There are other warnings in the Bible but the rebellion, led by the false prophet for the fallen angel, has been “proven” (a legal term) by the historical actions and beliefs as written in the Qur’an – supposedly at the direction of the foreign god through Muhammad.

Supporting the happiness and taking care of Muslims is honorable. Like an abused child, the child is not at fault for the abuses forced upon them. Sadly, most abused children grow up to be abusive. This is the account for the growth and delusion that is Islam.

We also need to make the distinction between “prepared to fight to the death” in a protective manner for our families and “prepared to fight to the death” for our faith. This is where many people get hung up – thinking that we would kill in the name of God. We do no such thing. And we are taught by Jesus himself that we are to give our lives for him if need be BUT WE ARE NOT TO TAKE A LIFE FOR HIM. This is where Islam and Christianity differ.

According to a reflection of the image of the beast:

“The cause of Truth was… to be defended unto death, and Muslims were told to be always ready, if the need arose, to defend the Faith with the sword, that being the way to Paradise.” – A Manual of Hadith (AMoH), ch.19, p. 206

“The messenger of Allah said: ‘And know that paradise is beneath the protection of the swords.’ “ – AmoH, ch.19, v.11, p.212

“The Messenger of Allah said: ‘I have been commanded that I should fight these people till they bear witness that there is no god but Allah and keep up prayer and pay zakat. When they do this, their blood and their property shall be safe with me except as Islam requires, and their reckoning is with Allah.’ “ – AmoH, ch.19, vs.17, p.216

The two swords of Muhammad are used in war. And, according to the Qur’an, war remains until all religions are for Allah.

According to the Bible, “War will continue until the end…” – Daniel 9:26

So, Islam is the end…

Sadly, the use of inflammatory language is necessary simply because it is used in life and is the only descript way of accurately depicting a truth or lie.

Most men (the majority) know of the Bible only that which they’ve been told. This is the particular beef with Catholicism. Most Catholics (in my circles), who take the time to read the Bible, reject the tradition they have spent their lives trusting. And they do so because of the traditions that were sculpted by man and inserted into God’s word by a panel of “infallible” judges.

Again, that piece of filth – the Qur’an – is available to any who wish to read it but few really want to know what’s inside. It’s easier not to know and deny that such evil could really exist in the name of some god. To most, religion of any kind is associated with grace and peace – this makes the “religion of peace” an even deeper kind of ugly.

As far as never reading the Qur’an unless you read it in Arabic: Those who told you that are on a different page than the translator of the Qur’an from Arabic to English. He states:

“(Of Mr. Pickthall) was an orthodox Muslim, and what he said of The Religion of Islam is true of this translation. There is not a hair’s breadth departure from the essentials of Islam, and this Translation does not contain anything contrary to the views of the great Imams and learned Ahl Sunnah that have gone before.” – Qur’an, Preface, p. I-14

Catholicism… there is no axe grinding. Like Islam is the lie, Catholicism is loaded with false teachings based upon the society it first reached. The falsehoods used by Muhammad in the Qur’an are accurately described Catholic traditions and give weight to his arguments. Most who do not know the difference between Christians and paganistic Romans are easily deluded by the traditional falsehoods adopted by men in the Catholic Church.

Again, I refer to our present day progression of what is considered right, normal and acceptable – the marriage of same sex individuals. There are no family values in something so opposed to God’s teaching. Yet, to keep from being ostracized from society, our schools, communities, leaders, President and even church leaders are telling our children this new law is fair and normal – THERE IS NOTHING NATURAL ABOUT A MAN LAYING WITH A MAN OR A WOMAN WITH A WOMAN. If this became the norm, men would become extinct by the lack of procreation. What makes marriage so beautiful is the two fleshes coming together to make one new flesh. Let’s see the “progressives” pull that rabbit out of the hat between two men or two women.

This is not finger-pointing about one’s individual choice to sin or not to sin – we all have our specs of dust or planks to repent from. But gay-MARRIAGE is different – it’s a man’s law that opposes that of God’s. When society turns from God – in the form of created, opposing laws – God shows up. And, as a society, we have turned from him. Falsehoods and lies, no matter how politically correct, still fly in the face of God.

We, the Gentiles, find our way back to God through the Redeeming power of Christ alone. There is none other to worship. Since the Father and Son are one, we worship them as one and in Jesus’ name.

Men worship the sun, a blade of grass, self, false gods, mothers, and other men… All of these worshippers share a space in the lake with Islam.

The Script of God is playing out in the exact manner he told us it would. There is to be a great day of God Almighty and it’s called Armageddon. Those of us who know Christ and are known by him will be pulled through those flames. We are committed to the responsibility of answering, as best we can, the questions of those who are on the fence about Jesus. I believe time has run out for those who boast that they sided against God at the age of 8.

God’s clock on man has ticked off its final seconds. I’m looking at it now and both hands point straight up.

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