The Arguments of Muhammad’s Islam Part II

On September 7, 2012 by Admin

This is the 1,328th day in which we have had to endure Barack Hussein Obama’s reign as “king of (this) kingdom.”


Just as the delusion of Islam further confirms God’s Truth, the arguments of Islam’s deluded continue to assist us in separating “Truth” from “Lies.”

Yesterday’s arguments spill into today and we’re happy to deliver them to our readers.

The Muhammadan:

“I noticed, on this forum, that many refers to (Qur’an 5:33). Please, read it in the correct context of the verses:

“And recite to them the story of Adam’s two sons, in truth, when they both offered a sacrifice [to Allah], and it was accepted from one of them but was not accepted from the other. Said [the latter], “I will surely kill you.” Said [the former], “Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous [who fear Him]. (27) If you should raise your hand against me to kill me – I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah, Lord of the worlds. (28) Indeed I want you to obtain [thereby] my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire. And that is the recompense of wrongdoers.” (29) And his soul permitted to him the murder of his brother, so he killed him and became among the losers. (30) Then Allah sent a crow searching in the ground to show him how to hide the disgrace of his brother. He said, “O woe to me! Have I failed to be like this crow and hide the body of my brother?” And he became of the regretful. (31) Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. (32) Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment, (33) Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. (34)” [Translation of Qur’an, sura 5: 27:34].”

Our Response:

Funny isn’t it… the Qur’an is said to be “pure and unchanged.”

Maulana Muhammad Ali is quoted as writing, “There is not a hair’s breadth departure from the essentials of Islam, and this Translation does not contain anything contrary to the views of the great Imams and learned Ahl Sunnah that have gone before.” – Qur’an, Maulana Muhammad Ali, I-14

And his version reads: “The only punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered, or crucified, or their hands and feet cut off on opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned. This shall be a disgrace for them in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement.” – Qur’an 5:33

The Muhammadan:

“Truth is you are still a poly theist and this violates the commandment given to Moses. Point out a place in the Bible where God gives this authority (not Jesus) of associating Jesus and the Holy Spirit as the same to Him. Why would God need a son when He can simply say “BE” and it is? Jesus was a prophet sent by God through the Virgin birth from Mary. We believe almost the same thing about Jesus as you do except for the major issue of him not being God’s son.”

“A problem here on this forum is that so many Christians claim to have read the Quran. I know that they are lying. They may have read selective verses of it online. For your own sake; get a translated copy of the Qur’an and read it. You are called Christians because you worship Christ (Jesus). Muslims are not Muhammadans because they don’t worship Muhammad. Islam (submission) is The Religion in the sight of God, and it is from the first beginning. Tell me, how many times, in the Bible, are the following words repeated: Judaism, Christianity, Submission and Submit to?”

Our Response:

Obviously, I have read the Qur’an. I call Muslims “Muhammadans” because the false prophet of Islam proclaims to be the image which every man should mirror.

I agree that everyone should read two books; The Bible and the Qur’an. If everyone did so, there would be no Islam. It would not be by death and destruction that Islam would no longer exist – but all men would recognize the truth of the Bible vs. the promised lies and delusion of the Qur’an. However, if everyone had done so, prophecy would not have been fulfilled.

And before you proclaim that I “interpret” it incorrectly, know that I utilize the narration of the translating author – Maulana Muhammad Ali – to express the understanding of each verse as it is written.

Whether called polytheists or theists, either is correct. God’s two witnesses are His Spirit – as has guided the prophets (Not Muhammad) and his faithful – and His Son. These two are inseparable from the Father. He…They… are One. The mystery of God is even a mystery to most Jews and Christians. But as time unfolds, so does his revelation of “Truth.”

According to our Lord and teacher: “Jesus answered, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” – John 14:6

What many people misunderstand and even Christians miss is that the Jews – though they continue to deny him – are likely saved by Jesus’ own words upon the cross: “Jesus said, ‘Father forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.’ ” By these words, the Jews are (likely) forgiven and ultimately saved.

This could not yet apply to the Romans, the Gentiles, who crucified him because Paul had not yet been summoned to instruct the Gentiles. And, of course, this could not apply to Muslims because it would be 600 years before such a thing as “Islam” or “Muslim” existed.

With the guidance of the “God-sent” Counselor – Paul – to guide the Gentiles, the Bible was complete.

With the resurrection of Jesus, he had overcome and defeated death, Al-Mumit. And overcoming death infuriated Satan. Is there now any wonder why Christians and Jews are specifically called out in the Qur’an?

We are very careful when answering questions of “Why?” The Bible is nearly 800,000 words and the answer as to “why?” is within ALL of those words. This also explains why the Bible calls the Qur’an the “little scroll” – it has but 80,000 words and many of them are repetitious verses.

But here is our best short answer:

God created men who were deceived in the Garden. Like the serpent mixing truth with lies and telling Eve she would surely NOT die, Allah does the very same thing. By mixing truth (mostly Old Testament laws) with lies, Allah tells his followers that hell is not eternal – that they will surely NOT PERISH.

God destroyed the earth with water and delivered a remnant of people, representing this generation of man, by way of an ark – Noah’s Boat. Then God delivered brothers. Ishmael was born of Hagar the slave and Isaac of Sarah and the promise. These two ‘brothers’ would be the beneficiaries of two different kingdoms; again, by the ark of God’s covenant – His promise. Then, God delivered his chosen people the LAW by way of an ark – the Ark of the Covenant – which became a curse to the Jews. Then, God delivered his people GRACE – by the ark of the Christ Jesus. And now, God will deliver his people ETERNAL LIFE by way of the ark of his covenant. This ark is not a golden box with chiseled stone inside. This Ark is his Word. And his Word is life…

Death and Destruction will be no more forever.

The Muhammadan:

“No Ronald, this isn’t correct. Unless, the Ame ri can laws are inconsistent with God’s. By the way, are American laws consistent with God’s laws in OT and NT?”

Our Response:

America’s laws used to be consistent with the teaching of the Christ Jesus. He is the grace that saves men from the curse of God’s law. The curse is that no man can abide by the 613 laws as delivered by the God of heaven. The Jews spent 2,000 years proving this to be true. Jesus stands between those laws and the penalty of death which is the price of breaking those laws. This is sin. Jesus stood with the guilty prostitute and – without negating the law – asked that he who was without sin could throw the first stone. The ‘teachers of the law’ were forced to drop their stones. No man is without sin. No man has the righteous ability to institute a judgment of death.

The battle going on within the American political system is largely do to creating laws which contradict God; gay-marriage and abortion. No one has the righteous ability to call for the end of one beating heart by the actions of another.

Like Islam, the DNC is drifting away from God. Barack Obama has much to do with that.

We were warned that a false prophet would appear – after those of the Bible – to mix truth, the Old Testament laws, with lies – the wants and desires of Muhammad’s evil heart.

Muhammadan’s are directed to follow the directives of Qur’an 5:33, 8:12 and many others which call for men to worship the Qur’an (the image of Muhammad and his Allah) or suffer the consequences; consequences that lack the grace of the Christ Jesus. Murder, crucifixion, amputation, and imprisonment of those “who make mischief in the land” is an Islamic command – a law – that is incompatible with the Constitution and American law.

The changed laws (Daniel 7:25) of Muhammad’s Islam are not the laws of God. The law of God has incorporated grace for 2,000 years. Islam is a delusion, not only to its people, but to those around them who buy into the ‘religion of peace’ malarchy. It was created by ‘one’ man who was empowered by sin. Sin is death. And Al-Mumit is the “Causer of death,” he’s the Causer of Sin. Al-Mumit is Allah and Allah is not God. One opposes the other.

Our hope is that a few western Muslims will hear this and listen. We hope that western Muslims will view this and recognize its truth.

This is the meaning of Hope… the Father and the Son.

We Further Proclaimed:

You wrote:

“No Ronald, this isn’t correct. Unless, the American laws are inconsistent with God’s. By the way, are American laws consistent with God’s laws in OT and NT?”

So, what does Islam have to say about abiding by laws other than those within the Qur’an and its supporting hadith?

According to “A Manual of Hadith,” chapter XXXI, titled “The State,” pg. 327…

Rule 1. “And their rule is counsel among themselves” (Supported by Qur’an 42:38)

Rule 3. “Allah COMMANDS you to make over trusts to those worthy of them (Muslims), and that when you judge between people you judge with (Islamic) justice.” (supported by Qur’an 4:58)

Qur’an 4:58a. “It was said, How will the trust be wasted, O Messenger of Allah? He said, ‘When the government is entrusted to those unworthy of it (non-Muslims), then wait for the doom.'” (supported by Bukhari 81:35)

Rule 6. Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you (Muslims), then if you quarrel about anything, refer it (back) to Allah and the Messenger.” (supported by Qur’an 4:59)

“According to the Holy Qur’an, the Muslim State is a democracy, (Islamic) counsel being the foundation-stone of government… (v. 1)” – page 327

“The highest authority is that of Allah and His Messenger, so that no law should contravene the Holy Qur’an and the Sunnah (v. 6)”- page 328

“The people’s responsibility to the State is to respect its laws and obey its orders, so long as they do not require disobedience to Allah and His Messenger (hh. 2-5)” – page 328

And this one is the wooden stake through the heart of Barack Obama…

“Those entrusted with carrying on the work of government, including the head, were required to… tax the different classes of people according to their capacity, to provide for those who could not earn and to have as much regard to the rights of their non-Muslim subjects as for those of the Muslims.‘ ”

Meaning: Tax the rich so severely that all men are the same – regardless of effort.

I would quote verse 2 of this chapter but it would get censored. So, it’s up to the reader to look up: “A Manual of Hadith,” chapter 32, verse 2. For the readers on this site, verse 2 reads:

“Anas reported, The Prophet said: ‘Hear and obey though a Negro whose head is like a raisin is appointed (to rule over you).’ “

Because Islam is a theocracy, complete with its own un-yielding laws as defined in the Qur’an and hadith, Islam is incompatible with the U.S. Constitution and the laws that she has adopted.

The lessons of this reality have been hard-earned by the countries that Islam has conquered over the past 1,400 years.

Americans desperately want to believe that they can adopt Islam, incorporate Muhammadans into their communities, retain the separation of church and state, and COEXIST.

The proof that this is impossible is in the simple viewing of the Middle East today. Like Daniel prophesied in 11:42-43, Egypt, Libya, and the Nubians (East Africa) have not escaped. The countries of Spain, France, and Germany are crying “uncle” today; they admit “multiculturalism” has failed.

Islam does not “interweave” as Barack Obama proudly proclaims. Islam destroys…

The Muhammadan:

“No Ronald, this is not correct. Unless American laws are inconsistent with God’s.”

“Say, “Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. [He commands] that you not associate anything with Him, and to parents, good treatment, and do not kill your children out of poverty; We will provide for you and them. And do not approach immoralities – what is apparent of them and what is concealed. And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason.” (151) And do not approach the orphan’s property except in a way that is best until he reaches maturity. And give full measure and weight in justice. We do not charge any soul except [with that within] its capacity. And when you testify, be just, even if [it concerns] a near relative. And the covenant of Allah fulfill. This has He instructed you that you may remember. (152) And, [moreover], this is My path, which is straight, so follow it; and do not follow [other] ways, for you will be separated from His way. This has He instructed you that you may become righteous. (153)”[Translation of Qur’an, sura 6:151:153]

Our Response:

In regard to your post which begins: “No Ronald, this is not correct. Unless American laws are inconsistent with God’s.”

I wish to point out a key phrase adopted by Islam:

“And give full measure and weight in justice.”

This verse is key for multiple reasons: It confirms the link and verifiability of Maulana Muhammad Ali – who translated the Qur’an and who also wrote “A Manual of Hadith.” And it directly links Muhammad and his fabricated “god” to the Biblical warnings of the two.

Within “A Manual of Hadith,” chapter XXII, titled “Buying an Selling,” pg 240, rule #5, it states:

“Give a full measure when you measure out and WEIGH WITH A FAITH SCALE.” Meaning: If one has no faith in Islam they may not “measure out.” And one who cannot measure out cannot buy or sell.”

Now, refer to the warning given in the Bible, Revelation 13:16-17, of the delusional false prophet and his Antichrist god. The warning is stated as such…

“He (Muhammad and his Allah) also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark (ayah) on his right hand (deeds) or on his forehead (beliefs), so that no one could buy or sell unless they had the mark (ayahs), which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.”

And the number of his name is…?

See it at “Four Fathers Revealed” under the subtitled “Revealing the mystery of 666.”

The Muhammadan:

“To : Ronald

Qur’an is preserved in its original Arabic (as revealed). On the contrary, the Bibles in our hands suffered series of translations from Aramic or Hebrew to Greek, Latin, Old and Middle English …, the original does not exist. God guards Qur’an because it’s the last complete Book. “Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur’an and indeed, We will be its guardian. (9)”[Translation of Qur’an, sura 15].”

Our Response:

So, the version I have relied upon to reveal Islam as the devil’s army was written by Maulana Muhammad Ali with the Arabic coinciding next to the translation. That, along with his assurance that…

““There is not a hair’s breadth departure from the essentials of Islam, and this translation does not contain anything contrary to the views of the great Imams and learned Ahl Sunnah that have gone before.” – Qur’an, Maulana Muhammad Ali, I-14

…then I can assume that his translation accurately states that…

“…(of the Qur’an) each section contains a number of AYAHS or verses. The word ayah means, originally, an apparent sign or mark, in this sense, it comes to mean a miracle…” – Qur’an, Maulana Muhammad Ali, I-32

This further proves that the false prophet Muhammad is the originator of the false and counterfeit miracles described in Revelation 13:13 and 2 Thessalonians 2:9.

I appreciate you assistance in revealing Allah, Muhammad , Islam, and the Qur’an as the delusion prophesied by the Bible and delivered by Muhammad – 600 years after the Bible was concluded.

The Muhammadan:

“RE : Funny isn’t it… the Qur’an is said to be “pure and unchanged.” (Ronald)

Yes; the Qur’an is “pure and unchanged”, the original is preserved in Arabic, not one letter is changed.

For sure, translations may differ according to the translators’ understanding and mastering of both languages (in this case Arabic and English). But, it is always possible to refer to the ORIGINAL TEXT.”

Our Response: ”

The “original Arabic text” accompanies the translated version in Maulana Muhammad Ali’s “Holy Qur’an.” It is in that version that Ali describes Qur’an 5:60 as:

“Say: Shall I inform you of those worse than this in retribution from Allah? They are those whom Allah has cursed and upon whom He brought His wrath and of whom He made apes and swine, and who serve the devil…”

… and 560a. as…

“Those who are spoken of as having been made apes and swine are the Jews”. (Reference 2:62-65; 5:59-60; and 7:166)

Is this not accurate?


Headlines 9/07/2012

Biblical warning: “Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace” – Malachi 4:1

US Rep. Mike Rogers: Israel will strike Iran soon unless US commits to the job

This current event is a yawner…

EU preparing new sanctions on Iran over nuclear program

Current event and extreme warning: “Sanctions don’t work, Obama won’t act. Hanegbi’s conclusions: We are alone”

Ari Shavit’s countdown: Attack, and attack again, says former minister Tzachi Hanegbi

A Warning to the World: “Confirming previously denied reports, U.S. House Intelligence Committee chairman Republican Mike Rogers said Netanyahu believes Iran is four to eight weeks away from first nuclear bomb”

Netanyahu ‘lost his temper,’ reprimanded U.S. envoy over Iran, says congressman

Iran sends terror teams into Turkey

Canada suspends relations with Tehran, expels Iranian diplomats

Biblical warning: “Men gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done” – Revelation 16:10-11

WP: Syria’s chemical arsenal bigger, more scattered than suspected

Current Event and dire warning: “Maurer ended a three-day visit to Syria, which saw him tour areas around Damascus. ‘I was shocked by the immense destruction of infrastructure and homes in several areas I visited’ he said”

Biblical warning: “See, Damascus will no longer be a city but will become a heap of ruins” – Isaiah 17:1

Current event and dire warning: “Russia and China, key allies of Syria, have vetoed three UN resolutions condemning Assad’s crackdown, which the opposition says has claimed more than 26,000 lives in the past 18 months”

Biblical warning: “But reports from the east and north (of Egypt – Iran and Syria) will alarm him (Satan veiled as Allah), and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many” – Daniel 11:44

Blast hits Damascus mosque, as Assad troops attack restive areas

Report: Chaos opens door to attack on Hezbollah

Current Event: Krauthammer – “I was stunned… he gave one of the emptiest speeches I have ever heard on a national stage”

 ‘1 of emptiest speeches I ever heard’

Obama Acceptance Speech Goes Vague Instead of Getting Tough

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Obama minions: Gov’t ‘can override your religion’

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