Common arguments and Objections about the end of days…

On December 16, 2013 by Admin

Below is our response to a commentator. Please take the time to read it through. We have addressed every one of their statements and have taken great care to make it as basic as possible so as not to lose the reader.

Commentator: “Jesus was NEVER an archangel as those are CREATED beings.”

Ron: Jesus appeared in the flesh… a created being. If he could appear as a man, could he not appear between man and God as an angel? Revelation 20:1 says… YES! That was Jesus – heavy emphasis on the past tense was.

Commentator: “…and HE is the WORD of creation itself.”

Ron: Yes, Jesus is the Word of God, creation itself. Commentator: “…one aspect of the Godhead in Person.”

Not only is he one aspect of the Godhead, but he is one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11. The other is the Spirit of God. Between the two of them, God’s Word was delivered to men. It was the Spirit which guided each and every prophet of God. And Jesus appeared in the flesh, confirming God’s Word and delivering grace, breaking the power of the holy people (the curse of the law).

Commentator: “He made Gabriel and Michael and all the rest of those fellows including Lucifer.”

Ron: Keep in mind that the three of the Godhead are all of ONE GOD. If Jesus could be the angel who brought the chain (defeated Death by resurrection), then he can be both or neither Michael and/or Gabriel.

Commentator: “Lucifer can’t possibly be 2 horns because he’s only one individual.”

Ron: God contradicts you here. “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, SON OF the dawn. Like Jesus is the Son of God, and the morning star is the son of the dawn (2 Peter 1:19). God mocks the masquerading morning star and his “father of lies” the dawn. (Isaiah 14:12)

Commentator: “Horns in the Bible are symbols of power or kingship.”

Ron: You bet they do! They also represent settlements, territories and kingdoms:

1) “It was different from the former beasts and it had ten horns (Daniel 7:7). These are the ten territories of Ezekiel 38: CUSH as Islamic East Africa; PUT as the Islamic North Africa; MESHECH as the Islamic Western Turkey; TUBAL as the Islamic Eastern Turkey; GOMER as the Islamic Syria and Iraq; BETH-TOGARMAH as the Atheist allies of Islam – Russia, China, and North Korea; PERSIA as the Islamic Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India (large Islamic population) and Indonesia; SHEBA as the Islamic southern Arabia, DEDAN as the Islamic northern Arabia, and the TARSHISH as the Islamic land travelers of the Mediterranean merchants.

2) “While I was thinking about the horns (territories), there before me was another horn (a king who exalted himself), a little one (“little as a man compared to a territory), which came up among them (the territories of the six kingdoms before him); and three of the first (territorial horns and people) horns were uprooted before it (He pillaged and conquered Sheba, Dedan and the merchants of the Tarshish – of which he was one – Ezekiel 38:10-13). This horn had eyes like a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully.” – Daniel 7:8

He had eyes and a boastful mouth because he was the false prophet Muhammad. This statement is undeniable, historical fact.

3) The ten horns are ten kings (territories and peoples who housed all six kingdoms before Islam) who will come from this kingdom (as described the Muslim-Atheist alliance as it is today). After them another king will arise, different from the other ones (this one is the man Muhammad); he will subdue three kings (Sheba, Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish – Ezekiel 38:10-13). Daniel 7:24

Read the following verse of 7:25 which speaks of Muhammad claiming him and his foreign god as the Most High, how he oppresses God’s saints (Christians and Jews), how he has changed the set times from A.D. to A.H., and how he has changed the LAWS of GOD to the laws of his foreign god – Allah’s shariah.

4) “Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth (where the fake MORNING STAR and fake THE DAWN had been thrown). He had two horns…” Rev 13:1. We have already established that Muhammad is the horn of Daniel 7:5, 8, 24, 25. And, we have established that those mocked in Isaiah 14:12 are a pair that is one – Lucifer.

Now, you can plug this character into 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 and understand how this is Muhammad and his Allah who “have set themselves up in God’s temple (both building and name), proclaiming himself to be GOD.”

Commentator: “And while I do firmly believe that he is, or modeled for, Allah, based on the character descriptions of both of which pretty closely match, I wouldn’t think of that as a GOOD thing.”

Ron: The only “good thing” about this is that it demonstrates the very true Word of God; not only by faith, but by actual fulfillment of prophecy. Now, you might begin to understand my excitement.

Commentator: “The being who was described in Isaiah 14 was Lucifer…

Ron: Now, you understand how Lucifer was both flesh and spirit “like the lamb, but he spoke like a dragon” (Rev 13:1) – he spoke like Satan with deceit, lies and twisted truths.

Commentator: “…not Allah or Muhammad who didn’t even exist…

Ron: Jesus had not yet been presented to Isaiah but he wrote much about him. Remember, “And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by theprophet’s own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke (wrote) from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.” – 2 Peter 1:19-20 The prophets only wrote what they were inspired to write. Quite clearly, they did not always understand it. Daniel 12:9 speaks loudly about this.

Commentator: “…and about whom Isaiah had no knowledge, even in a prophetic sense. The event described was when Lucifer was cast out of heaven for trying to usurp God’s position, which occurred BEFORE the Earth even existed.”

Ron: You get no argument from us. Take a look at the many names of Satan before he adopted the Arabian translation of god as his “proper name.” (As is verified by Qur’an 1:1, note a, p. 3) He was thrown out of heaven as was the spirit of Muhammad, the false Arabian prophet who appeared from the lineage of Ishmael (there are no prophets of GOD from this lineage) to dispute all 42 of God’s prophets before him. The Five ‘I’s of Isaiah are the vulgar, boastful, arrogant and prideful words of Muhammad, “confirmed” by the fallen angel Allah (Satan/Lucifer). He fools and deceives even the elect (Matthew 24:24-25).

Commentator: “Yes, Jesus did pray for the forgiveness of the Roman soldiers who didn’t understand the significance of what they were doing, but again that isn’t a command…”

Ron: “Jesus said, “Father, forgive them (Jews and Gentiles), for they do not know what they are doing.” – Luke 23:34

Commentator: “….any more than when I pray for God to smite His enemies today is a command: it’s a REQUEST, same as if I went to my CO and requested a leave or some such. Not even Jesus or the Holy Spirit COMMANDS the Father.”

Ron: Is not Jesus one of God’s two witnesses? Is he not God in the flesh? Can the Command he gave, to forgive, be denied by the Father? If so, his promise to you and to me is in jeopardy and not absolute! We both know better.

Commentator: “I doubt Jesus physically could “shout” anything much during a crucifixion, being as how He could scarcely draw the breath to stay alive in that position. That was how crucifixion killed, usually; slow suffocation.”

Ron:

Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit – Luke 23:46
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice… – Mark 15:34
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice… – Matthew 27:46

Commentator: “How I’d know is that the Bible tells us who has and hasn’t been “caught up” or raised from the dead, and that the rest are awaiting the time when we’re all called up to meet Jesus. Very simple.”

Ron:  God reserved seven thousand to be part of the first resurrection. They served with Jesus upon his ascension. They were the first – including John, who had been beheaded. The verses which support this are:

“Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel–all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal (like Muslims) and all whose mouths have not kissed him.” – 1 Kings 19:18
At that time, Michael, the great pirince who protects your people, will arise. Therev will be a time of distress such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then.” – Daniel 12:1 [/quote[quote]]”The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, ‘It will be a time, yimes and half a time. When the power of the holy people has finally broken, all these things will be completed.” – Daniel 12: 7
And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.” – Matthew 27:51-53
At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.” – Revelation 11:13
So the Lord sent a plague on Israel from that morning until the end of the time designated, and seventy thousand of the people from Dan to Bersheba died.” – 2 Samuel 24:15
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded (John) because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshipped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.” – Revelation 20:4-6
This is a chapter all by itself. Two thousand years ago, the Jews awaited a king who would rule over them and save them from Rome and the Romans. They were right in their anticipation, but mistaken about what that king would look and act like. Two thousand years later, Christians wait on Jesus’ return to be our earthly king (again) for a thousand years. They, too, are mistaken. Christians cannot accept either of the statements that:
Jesus said, “my kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.” – John 18:36
…and for destroying those who destroy the earth – Revelation 11:18

Commentator: “As to what I’ve been taught; wrong! Most of what I was taught, I’ve had to unlearn to learn truth, both in the civilian world and in the spiritual world. Fortunately, I have a very wise Teacher, and He continues to teach me daily. WHERE are you getting those notions???”

Ron: We, this generation of man, are a very prideful people. It frightens us to think that we do not understand God’s timing of things and that the false prophet has been here and is long gone. We are frightened to learn that the Antichrist is both flesh and spirit, like the Lamb, but who speaks like the dragon from his own temple on the Temple Grounds. That frightens us because, being good Christians, we understand what that means… It means our time here is up.

Commentator: “Hitler isn’t part of Ezekiel’s prophecy…”

Ron: Do you really think that Adolph would commit his acts of such evil against God’s people and the Bible would just FORGET to mention it? Of course not… Again, this is a chapter all in itself but here are a few highlites:

1) Gog and Magog is not one group but the titles of two separate groups with “Gog” meaning a General or king and Magog being his army

2) Draw a line (all the way north) from Jerusalem up through the northeast region of Tubal (eastern Turkey). Now, draw another line (extending all the way north) through the western reaches of Meshech (Turkey and Greece). Look at what lies between the two lines – “Western Europe (Germany) and Russia.” And who was caught in between them? – Israel —

3) Who was the Gog during WWII? – Adolph H. –

4) Who was Magog during WWII? – Adolph’s army –

5) Who lived in the towns of Israel during WWII? Hint: Israel was NOT re-gathered yet. Where were the Jews camped? – They were camped largely in Europe –

6) And those who picked up arms against them? – Gog and Magog

7) Why did Gog and Magog not gather wood to burn? – the answer is too vulgar to repeat – You need to know that when I wrote about Ezekiel 39, I could not keep from tearing up and calling God out. The images haunt me.

8) Where is Adolph and his army buried? – In the land between France and Moscow.

9) The Russian surge which began in July of 1944 and January of 1945 revealed the concentration and death camps which housed the dead; many who were piled upon the ground – not buried. This surge took seven months from beginning until the end – at Auschwitz.

10) There are monuments and memorials there still, marking the sites.

11) 56 million people died in WWII – by the hands of the Germans and the Japanese (another chapter)

12) Just three short-years after the heinous acts of WWII, what was re-gathered? – Israel –

13) God had turned his face back to them. Israel was gathered into her land again. Just as He promised. (Ezekiel 39:27-29)

Commentator: “Neither is Muhammad not (sic) is O” – Meaning: Neither Muhammad nor Obama is the Antichrist…

Ron: We’ve already presented a glimmer of the case against Muhammad and his Islam as that of Ezekiel 38. The Gog today is Muhammad’s Allah and the Magog are all the nations opposed to Israel – including and particularly, this “fundamentally transformed” Obamistan. Just three weeks ago, ALL nations opposed Israel by signing the P5+1. And that agreement was largely shoved down the throats of the nations by the lying Muslim – Barack Hussein Obama.

Commentator: “They’ve been HARBINGERS of what’s coming, but that hasn’t been fulfilled yet so those three couldn’t possibly fit it, unless something happens before O is out of office.”

Ron: I’m a loving, trusting man of the Father and the Son. I am NOT a prophet. But, with all of this revealed and Barack siding with his Islamic Brothers against Israel, NOW is the likely time. I have said for nearly six years now that baraq will likely be our last freely-elected President.

Commentator: “Islamic history is immaterial…”

Ron: As has been evidenced, the verification of God’s prophetic Word is anything but “immaterial.”

Commentator: “…and the “great tribulation” is the last “week” of years or 7 years of Daniel’s prophecy of 70 weeks of years.”

Ron:

He (Jesus) was chosen before the creation of the world, but he was revealed in these last times for your sake – 1 Peter 1:20
Peter wrote this in the first century A.D. The “end of days” has been every day since Jesus left this earth. He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a WING of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him – Daniel 9:27
Now, look what Daniel 9:27 has long been trying to tell us…
“He…” – The morning star, son of the dawn
“…will confirm a covenant…” – What Muhammad vomited up, the covenant of Allah to the Muslims, his fallen angel Allah confirmed in book form – the Qur’an
“…with many…” – Some tens of billions of Muslims over 1,400 years
“…for one ‘seven’… – The seven thunders which his deluded Muslims repeat five times-a-day as their prayers:

i) “Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds,”

ii) “The Beneficent, the Merciful,”

iii) “Master of the day of Requital.”

iv) “Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help.”

v) “Guide us on the right path,”

vi) “The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favours,”

vii) “Not those upon whom wrath is brought down (the Jews), nor those who go astray (the Christians).”

“In the middle of seven,”
‘Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help,’ – Qur’an 1:4
“…he will put an end to the sacrifice and offering.” (of the Christ Jesus upon the cross for all Muslims who deny the gift of God and serve Satan, beseeching him for help.)
“And on a wing of the temple…” – NOT in a rebuilt Jewish temple, but on the Temple Grounds
“…he will set up an abomination…” – the Islamic Dome of the Rock. You will further notice that the Al-Aqsa mosque and the Dome of the Rock are the “royal tents” pitched between the seas on the beautiful holy mountain of the Temple Mount and as the titles of GOD. – Daniel 12:45
“…that causes desolation…” – The Jews cannot even step foot there. Hence, “desolation”
“…until the end…” – meaning nothing else will be built there
“that is decreed is poured out on him.”
The earth is destroyed by fire…

Commentator: “I have no idea where you’re getting all this twisted nonsense from but It’s NOT in any Bible I’ve ever read, neither can the Scriptures I’ve read be twisted, stretched and bent out of shape to fit that.”

Ron:  There has been no twisting. There has been no misquoting. It’s all straight from the Bible and fulfilled through history and what you see today.

Commentator: “Nor has anyone, however far off the beam, I’ve ever heard speaking on end times come up with any of that!”

Ron: We understand that we are of the first to recognize this. I’ve had a lot of help!

Commentator: “Wherever you’re getting it from, get AWAY from that source because it’s LIES, and will only lead to one end.”

Ron:  I get this from the Father, his Son, his Spirit and their true Word of the Bible. I use the Bible as a glove and slide the hand of history, Islam included, into it. The fit is perfect.

Commentator: “Satan ALWAYS uses just enough truth to lead the ones who aren’t well grounded in the Word astray; it worked on Eve in the Garden and has been doing so ever since then.”

Ron: Agreed! Just as the serpent twisted the Word of God and told her that she surely would not die (Genesis 3:4), Muhammad’s Allah tells all men that they will surely not perish and that hell is only temporary. He is today as he was then, a manipulative liar.

Commentator: “He even tried it on Jesus! Didn’t work, because He knew the true Word and countered it.”

Ron: Agreed! But, what Jesus denied and refused, baraq accepted… He wears the signet ring honoring Muhammad’s Allah – just as Muhammad did.

Commentator: “BTW, this nation fell UNDER Divine judgment in ’01 before O was even in office!”

Ron: Agreed! Just seven short years after Islam attacked this nation…

On the day of great slaughter, when the towers fall… – Isaiah 30:25
And, as per the command and directive of Muhammad’s Allah…
Wherever you are, death will overtake you, though you are in towers raised high… – Qur’an 5:33
…the Islamo-Progressives of this condemned nation elected a Muslim. In and of itself, that has brought about God’s Divine judgment. We are no different than the pre-Muhammad Arabs who refused to love the truth of the Father and his Son. Because the new-majority of this country refused to love him, God sent the delusion of Barack Hussein Obama… the Muslim who masquerades as a Christian. He models the false prophet in that he was a descendant of Ishmael who claimed to be a prophet of God. Of course, there never has been such a thing…

Commentator: “We’re still there, HE is part of the punishment for our national sins!”

Ron: Agreed! Barack ushers in the final chapter of man. He thinks himself to be the mythical character prophesied by Islam (Muslims are not prophetic), the second “Sun of Righteousness” – of which is mystically rumored to rise in the West. You have heard of “the sun rising in the west?” That is what this means. Muhammad declared himself to be the first “Sun of Righteousness.” (Another reference to his taking the place of the Son of God)

Commentator: “As to the status of Israel and the rest of the world, I’m also aware of that, and you STILL can’t make this nonsense fit the Biblical prophecies or what’s happening in the civilian physical world either one.

Ron: Au contraire mon frere… We just did it. And, this is just the tip of the ice-burg. Our evidential, historic proof is nearly endless.

Commentator: “You’ve got ‘wrong” people and characters in wrong places and as wrong positions in all manner of way.”

Ron: God gave us the names of people and the descriptions of their characters… God gave us the order of things and their positions in the world; both time and place… His prophetic Word is now a matter of recorded history.

Commentator: “Trying to untangle that mess of lies would be worse than trying to play pickup sticks blind folded with lit dynamite.”

Ron: We just untangled it. We did it with great care and by direct attention to every one of your statements and objections; save the one we have asked you to clarify. Everything about Islam fits Satan’s prophesied army. Everything about Muhammad fits the prophesied false prophet. Everything about Muhammad’s Allah fits the fallen angel of Revelation 10 and the masquerading angel of light from 2 Corinthians 11:14; even his name of An-Nur, “The Light.” Muslims are the murderers of John 16:2-4 and those peoples who carry out what is warned of in Revelation 13:14-15. They do so simply because people refuse to worship the Qur’an. They do so at the direct command of their false prophet and masquerading god.

 

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